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Post by clifflee4mvp™ on Mar 28, 2007 15:12:42 GMT -6
It wasn't the freshman who were the problem, it was the junior and the fact that we haven't had a Point Guard in all of Heath's years here. This love of Heath is insane, his teams have put together 2 good runs at the end of the year in the past two years cover up the fact that his teams have played like crap in over half the games before that. I'm sorry, Heath is a great guy, but now that he's gone, we're gonna get an upgrade even if it is an up and comer. Also, Mike Anderson isn't coming back, it's not going to happen, let it go. BCG is stupid for not coming here, unless he's playing us for more money, it's a dumb move because he's about to have to replace Acie Law 4 and that's a tough job. Andy Katz likes Heath, but the ESPN people didn't watch our games, they didn't see how badly this team played against an LSU team that was fighting it's way to the bottom of the SEC, how they got destroyed by MSU, blew a lead against UK late in the game, blew a comfortable lead to UGA, lost to one of the worst South Carolina team's in years, got destroyed by Mizzou, forgot where the hoop was during the first half of the TTech game. And I could name more. All the ESPN talking head people know is that Heath is a nice guy who snuck Ark into the tourney the past to years. More went into this decision than getting into the tourney. ok that's two of you so I guess you didn't see the part where the beginning of the thread asked "who would YOU like to see considered. I like Mike Anderson, that doesn't mean I think he'd ever come here epsecially with JFB still in office. that is all.... |
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Post by Dr. HeathHog on Mar 28, 2007 15:22:27 GMT -6
This love of Heath is insane, his teams have put together 2 good runs at the end of the year in the past two years cover up the fact that his teams have played like crap in over half the games before that. I'm sorry, Heath is a great guy, but now that he's gone, we're gonna get an upgrade even if it is an up and comer. BCG is stupid for not coming here, unless he's playing us for more money, it's a dumb move because he's about to have to replace Acie Law 4 and that's a tough job. And I could name more. All the ESPN talking head people know is that Heath is a nice guy who snuck Ark into the tourney the past to years. More went into this decision than getting into the tourney. I'm not sure about that first statement anymore, but that mostly goes to my opinion of Stan vs everyone elses. We hired an up and comer 5 years ago. Our program got set back and we've now recovered. I really thought Gillespie should come here, and like others assumed that getting rid of Stan meant we had him verbally committed. I realize we can get into a bidding war, but it seems we woul have the advantage with current facilities, etc. But there is something to be said for guy staying put. Back to Stan, you make a lot of good points about games we blew this year. The balance is we got 21 wins somewhere so we must have beat some decent teams and avenged a few of those losses you mentioned. But that's not trying to cover-up what seemed like a team that played under it's potential most of the year. The fact is even though it looked at times we should have been better, should we have really expected to be better? Here's where I'm coming from. In the history of Razorback basketball, we have had 30 career 1000 point scorers. Four times there have been seasons where 3 of those left at the same time. As you might expect, we did not get better in the following year. 1992- Todd Day (2395), Lee Mayberry (1904), and Oliver Miller (1674) all get taken in the first round. We were 26-8, 13-3 SEC Champs, NCAA 2nd round team and ranked 9/10 in the final Polls In 1993, we were 22-9, 10-6, 3rd in the SEC, but made a run in the tournament to get us to Sweet 16, finished ranked 10/12. (closest to a success story as this recruiting class would be the one that lead us to the National Championship) 1995- Corliss Williamson(1728), Scotty Thurman (1650), and Clint McDaniel (1007) The class from 93 matured. We were 32-7, 12-4 (T-1st West), Made the Final 4, finished runner up to UCLA, and were ranked 2/6 in the polls. In 1996, the next great class came in we were 20-13,9-7 (T-2nd West), made Sweet 16 run as a 12 seed finished ranked 18 in both polls. A successful year by many standards, but it was a step down from the years before. 1999- Pat Bradley(1765), Kareem Reid(1475), and Derek Hood(1247) went on a run to finish their Sr year by beating #6UK and #2 Auburn at home (ah glory days). We were 23-11, 9-7 (2nd West), made the NCAA second round, and finished 17/25 in the polls. In 2000, the recruiting class led by Joe Johnson was supposed to carry us with the guards we already had, but he only played the second half of the season. We were 19-15, 7-9 (3rd in the West). We won the SEC Tournament though to qualify to get bounced in the first round of the NCAA's. 2002- had the looks of one of these groups, but Brandon Dean (1130) was the only actual 1000 point scorer. If I go back later and can find totals for Gipson, Pargo, etc. I'll fill this in. Obviously it ended in a coaching change and things getting much worse in 2003. 2006- Pookie Modica (1589), Ronnie Brewer(1416), and Eric Ferguson (1047) lead us to 22-10, 10-6 (T2nd West), and an NCAA appearance for the first time since 2001 thanks largely to 6 straight wins including SEC tournament play. In 2007, we got a good in coming group of Jrs and Freshmen. We went 21-14, 7-9 (T-3rd West), and an NCAA appearance thanks to 5 straight wins including SEC Tournament play. It just seems to me and probably to the National media that if you are firing Stan based on performance, you could be making a mistake. Going by the pattern, our class this year should include some guys that will be great for us. Early indications are that that will come true. If you change coaches and someone like Beverley decides to bolt, you risk messing that up and puling us down. As I said before I'm not completely against a change if you can get a big name. One, because I think that increases the chances our freshmen stay. Two, I'm aware that attendance is on the decline and that is a major issue for our coach. But is getting the next up and comer really going to solve that? I don't fully understand the mindset of those who don't go to games now, but if you're not happy with the last up-and-comer why will they be thrilled when we get another one. I'm not a fan of change for the sake of change. And again I will say I'm afraid we are doing a big thing badly. Or as Drizzle might say a bad thing bigly |
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Post by ♣Drizzle™♣ on Mar 28, 2007 16:17:03 GMT -6
And again I will say I'm afraid we are doing a big thing badly. Or as Drizzle might say a bad thing bigly You keep stealing my thunder. This is beginning to look more and more like we have done a bad thing bigly. |
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Post by Tschepihawg on Mar 28, 2007 18:02:41 GMT -6
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Post by Charlie on Mar 28, 2007 18:20:56 GMT -6
Good points Heath.
I had resigned myself to keeping Heath for another season and was fine with it, really.
But what I ask myself is do I believe Heath would every win a national championship here? No, I don't believe he would. Next year we would have a good team, but better than a team that had 3 1,000 point scorers? I don't know, and that team didn't win anything...
No matter who we get maybe this is a good time to be making a change. After the 07-08 season we lose a lot of players (Hill, Thomas, Townes, Weems, Ervin...) and would be rebuilding no matter who the coach was, probably. Now is a good time to bring in a new coach because in year two he would be able to implement whatever system he wanted because he'll get to recruit so many players for that class.
But the reality is, despite being fans that go to every game, nobody asked us what we wanted or thought, and nobody is going to ask us who we'd like to have as our next coach.
So, I'm not going to worry about too much about something I have zero influence over.
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Post by Charlie on Mar 28, 2007 19:24:10 GMT -6
I've seen Rick Majerus' name brought up on some other boards. What would you guys think about that?
I think he would excite the fan base, for sure.
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Post by The Kid on Mar 28, 2007 19:49:27 GMT -6
I've seen Rick Majerus' name brought up on some other boards. What would you guys think about that? I think he would excite the fan base, for sure. Dudley Dawson said something about "A coach that would excite the Fans for sure" Hmmmm |
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Post by ®2 gwaH ytraPa on Mar 28, 2007 20:18:33 GMT -6
I've seen Rick Majerus' name brought up on some other boards. What would you guys think about that? I think he would excite the fan base, for sure. When he found Hermans, the Catfish Hole and Guido's Pizza...he wouldn't make it through a full season...Heart Attack! |
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Post by The Kid on Mar 28, 2007 21:03:39 GMT -6
I've seen Rick Majerus' name brought up on some other boards. 40/29 just said that Majerus has contacted Arkansas about the job |
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Post by clifflee4mvp™ on Mar 28, 2007 21:17:37 GMT -6
I've seen Rick Majerus' name brought up on some other boards. 40/29 just said that Majerus has contacted Arkansas about the job boy you sure are on top of things around here  |
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Post by Tschepihawg on Mar 28, 2007 23:03:06 GMT -6
When he found Hermans, the Catfish Hole and Guido's Pizza...he wouldn't make it through a full season...Heart Attack! Mmmmmmmmmm... Guido's. BTW, speaking of head coaches eating at local establishments, I saw Houston Nutt at lunch today (Acambaro). |
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Post by Dr. HeathHog on Mar 28, 2007 23:50:54 GMT -6
But the reality is, despite being fans that go to every game, nobody asked us what we wanted or thought, and nobody is going to ask us who we'd like to have as our next coach. No it's actually the opposite. Rather than being concerned about what those who go to every game want, they want to focus on what will bring back those that gave up on Stan. Basically, everyone they want for the job needs to be tagged with number of tickets they can sell. So what did record company due when they needed to make sure fans connected with the new artist and create a buying buzz... That's right get ready for Arkansas Coaching Idol. Bo Mattingly can be our own Secrest and we can sell sponsorships for the TV show. Okay I think that's a good sign that it's time for bed. |
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Post by Hognoxious™ on Mar 29, 2007 7:35:35 GMT -6
Here are my thoughts after yesterday's events:
Billy Gillispie wants to wait until Kentucky makes the hire. He had already said he would come, but that has changed the equation. He still has the option to stay at A&M and it will rain money. We can wait until he can answer, or we can move on - his silence so far indicates that his interest in Arkansas hasn't waned.
Bill Self has said he's not interested. But a quick call will find out if it's coach-speak. He's worth a call, he's not worth a wrangling.
Tim Floyd will come for 1.3 mil or so. He may in actuality be the best option, especially if you want an answer now.
Rick Majerus is a viable option. Not the top option, but would accomplish many of the objectives immediately. It would be worth it to me to see Darian Townes tell him he wasn't going to do something. He probably will not be a long-term solution, but that may be a good thing. If he can be immediately successful and we and he decide to make it long-term, fine. But if he only lasts 2 years, that presents a timeline that works for the coach to be hired that so many would like to see - a certain coach who cannot leave the job he just got last year, and in reality couldn't be hired now anyway.
I feel confident that we will get one of these. Like Frank, I don't need it on paper.
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Post by Dale on Mar 29, 2007 8:19:51 GMT -6
Floyd said of the USC job in an ESPN. com story published March 21: “I know this will be my last job. I will not work anywhere else. This is it.”
I'm not sure I'd want him after he said that. If he's going to pull a Saban it should be with another school. I don't like the way it would look.
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Post by Dale on Mar 29, 2007 8:27:33 GMT -6
If Gillispie goes, blame wanderlustDon't expect a quick resolution. For one thing, Gillispie seems to love the attention and the idea of going to the Final Four with his name in play. He could have ended the speculation by now. This is what should be making the Aggies nervous. They're prepared to give him whatever he wants, and he hasn't called off whatever courtship is going on with Arkansas. Instead, he's allowing it to linger. What's left? Just one thing. Gillispie might not be using the Arkansas job as a negotiating ploy. He might want it.
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