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Post by Charlie on Dec 6, 2007 20:50:41 GMT -6
Do you mean play for a National Championship? Because Troy Smith didn't win one last year.
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Post by HomerHog® on Dec 6, 2007 20:51:30 GMT -6
According to wikepedia here are the years it differed Walter Camp winner 2003 Larry Fitzgerald (Heisman runner up to Jason White) 2002 Larry Johnson (Carson Palmer wins Heisman) 2000 Josh Heupel (Heisman Runner up to Chris Wienke) 1990 Rocket Ismail (Heisman Runner up to Ty Detmer) Thus the Walter camp award has lead to the Heisman 32/40 or 75% of the time. In these 4 most recent instances, especially 3 very recent, concern me. The Walter Camp winner should have won the Heisman in some of these years. Bad trend when the vote is close. Carson Palmer probably deserved it, but Jason White, Chris Weinke, and Ty Detmer? |
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Post by HomerHog® on Dec 6, 2007 20:52:58 GMT -6
Do you mean play for a National Championship? Because Troy Smith didn't win one last year. Yes, it should have been "play for" since the National Championship isn't decided when the voting is done. |
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Post by Dr. HeathHog on Dec 7, 2007 0:07:05 GMT -6
Here are a list of the variations and who ended up winning the Heisman each year.
Year Camp vs Maxwell- Heisman in red (sorry Kyle)
2007 Darren McFadden vs Tim Tebow ???
2006 Troy Smith vs Brady Quinn
2005 Reggie Bush vs Vince Young
2004 Matt Leinart vs Jason White
2003 Larry FitzGerald vs Eli Manning... Jason White
2002 Larry Johnson vs Larry Johnson... Carson Palmer
2001 Eric Crouch vs Ken Dorsey
2000 Josh Heupel vs Drew Brees... Chris Weinke
1999 Ron Dayne consensus
1998 Ricky Williams consensus
1997 Charles Woodson vs Peyton Manning
1996 Danny Wuerffel consensus
1995 Eddie George consensus
1994 Rashaan Salaam vs Kerry Collins
1993 Charlie Ward consensus
1992 Gino Toretta consensus
1991 Desmond Howard consensus
1990 Rahgib Ismail vs Ty Detmer
1989 Anthony Thompson vs Anthony Thompson... Andre Ware
1988 Barry Sanders consensus
1987 Tim Brown vs Don McPherson
1986 Vinnie Testeverde consensus
1985 Bo Jackson vs Chuck Long
1984 Doug Flutie consensus
1983 Mike Rozier consensus
1982 Herschel Walker consensus
1981 Marcus Allen consensus
1980 Hugh Green vs Hugh Green... Charles Rogers
1979 Charles White consensus
1978 Billy Sims vs Charles Fusina
1977 Ken MacAfee vs Ross Browner... Earl Campbell
1976 Tony Dorsett consensus
1975 Archie Griffin consensus
1974 Archie Griffin vs Steve Joachim
1973 John Cappelletti consensus
1972 Johnny Rogers vs Brad Van Pelt
1971 Pat Sullivan vs Ed Marinaro
1970 Jim Plunkett consensus
1969 Steve Owens vs Mike Reid
1968 OJ Simpson consensus
1967 OJ Simpson vs Gary Beban
So again breaking down the 40 years the Walter camp award has existed:
19 years the Walter Camp, Maxwell, and Heisman trophies belonged to the same man.
3 years the Walter Camp and Maxwell went to the same player, but that man did not win the Heisman
That leaves 18 times the vote was split.
3 times the Camp/Maxwell split lead to a 3rd candidate getting the Heisman (not likely this year unless you believe Colt or Chase can over come the big 2)
2 times the split lead to the Maxwell Winner getting the Heisman
13 times the split lead to the Walter Camp winner getting the Heisman
So history seems to be on McFadden's side heading into Saturday, but how much can you rely on history when you've had more top teams upset than any other year and a 2 loss team playing for the National Championship basically at home?
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Post by clifflee4mvp™ on Dec 7, 2007 1:10:59 GMT -6
nice work heath. thanks
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Post by georgecolevet on Dec 7, 2007 3:53:59 GMT -6
let me just say: I just happened to be awake in the wee ours this morning, and got to watch the end of the presentation to Frank. Between that and the awards that DMC brought home, I don't see how we cannot get a new coach who actually wants to be here?
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